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#1 Posted : Monday, January 22, 2007 5:34:30 PM(UTC)
bobn@laurastamm.net

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This is the second time I got one of these since we went live. Here is what I think is happening and what the difference is from BV4. Just a guess but.....

Under BV4 if you entered an invalid card number, exp date etc. the customer could not go past that screen until they fixed it. An invalid exp date would be something that expired prior to today. An invalid card number would be some number that didn't match the algorithm set up as the first check for invalid card numbers. These errors are stopped before they make to the CC processor for authorization.

Under BV5 they still don't make it to the CC processor but they do make it through the order process complete with order number and error msg in the notes section "Declined Invalid Credit Card Number".

In BV4 you use to link directly to the CC processor but in BV5 you chose to link through a third party for the proper formats and such. Which by the way I think is an excellent idea.

However I would suggest putting the algorithm back in BV5 as part of the check out process if this is indeed the cause of the issue I am seeing.

Bob Noble
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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 5, 2007 3:24:49 PM(UTC)
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Yes, I'm going with Bob. I hope the order can't through if the credit card info is invalid. Now I checked the throw error box in the workflow option. But it blocks alls orders and does'nt show any messages. I hope somebody can't fix it.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, April 5, 2007 3:31:36 PM(UTC)
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Hi Bob,
Service Pack 2 will include this feature to check the credit card number against the credit card type, as well as requiring the correct security code format. All credit transaction errors will occur at the checkout page, and will not allow the customer to continue until they enter the correct payment information.

Thanks,
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#4 Posted : Thursday, April 5, 2007 4:07:51 PM(UTC)
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Hi! Everett, Thanks again.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:53:33 PM(UTC)
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Hello Everett,
Would SP2 allow an incorrect credit card "Billing Address" to pass or would it be
stopped at the Checkout page?
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#6 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2007 8:29:19 AM(UTC)
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Whew, I've been meaning to come here to ask about all the invalid credit card orders. Good thing to know it will be fixed soon. We get 3 invalids a day and usually lost the orders, but now we're manually calling up the customers to save the sales.
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#7 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2007 9:47:24 AM(UTC)
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Hey Rudy,
Just so you know, the situation that you describe actually needs to be configured with the your payment processor. For example, if you use Authorize.Net, you will need to configure your settings in your Authorize.Net account to enable billing address verification or CVV code verification. Some customers choose not to enable these additional forms of verification because some processors charge additional monthly or additional transaction fees. If you have your processor configured to verify these fields, and authorization or payment is declined, BVC5 will not allow the order to continue. This is the process for all versions of BVC5. If you have implemented these forms of verification with your processor, and your orders are still being allowed to process, I would double check your BVC5 payment configuration and the Receive Credit Cards workflow to make sure everything is setup properly.

Thanks,
Everett
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#8 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2007 10:19:54 AM(UTC)
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Everett,
Thanks for the reply.
I have the address verification set in my gateway and it works exactly as you described.
Everything within the system is working as it should.
Let me clarify my question further.
Most of my credit card declines are AVS mismatches. Time consuming to solve ie: call the customer etc...
It would be nice if at the checkout page it would push the error back to the customer to solve at that time, as
opposed to continuing with an error through the system.
Some customers keep the box checked indicating the billing and shipping address are the same, when
in fact they are not.
Thanks!
Andy Miller
#9 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2007 12:07:47 PM(UTC)
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Rudy,

You have orders of magnitude more experience than I do collecting orders. Would the "street address did not match" or "zip code did not match" messages give identity thieves too much information? My intuition is that it would, but I am not an identity thief so my intuition is unreliable. You must get quite a few AVS mismatches and since you call the customer, you must have developed a pretty good sense of whether identity thieves are using your site to fish for credit card numbers with matching addresses.
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#10 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2007 2:34:17 PM(UTC)
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I don't know about the other CC processors but we are using Linkpoint.

If we get 2 transactions using the same CC number within about 20 min, it bounces the second one as part of the fraud check no matter what. I don't know if this is Linkpoint default of if it is the way we set it up, but I kind of like it this way. And I aways make sure I tell the customer this when I call them. I think it is reassuring them our system is as secure as we can make it.

Bob Noble
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#11 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2007 2:34:25 PM(UTC)
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Hello Andy,
I agree with you that advising of the specific error is not be the best way. I am searching for
better ways to handle the exceptions, eliminate the exception or handle it by programing.
Thats why when I read the post, I asked:
Originally Posted by: "Rudy" Go to Quoted Post
Would SP2 allow an incorrect credit card "Billing Address" to pass or would it be
stopped at the Checkout page?

Selecting which "Orders" to go after and solve the problem is the challenge.
Calling every "unknown" customer with an AVS mismatch does not work,is time consuming
and as you pointed out risky.
I do try and solve the problem when I feel there is "some" level of confidence success
might be achieved.
Your points are well taken. I will still continue to search for a better way to handle this
type of an exception.
birdsafe
#12 Posted : Sunday, July 8, 2007 9:55:47 PM(UTC)
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Just reviewing this thread -- there needs to be some way for invalid or nonapproved cc orders to not go through. I'm getting at least one a day -- sometimes I open the order and authorize it again and it goes through, sometimes not. There needs to be an option to tell the customer "your order was not approved"

And to let you know -- with SP2 invalid cc numbers are still getting through.
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#13 Posted : Monday, July 9, 2007 8:21:29 AM(UTC)
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I just discovered how to set this using the Workflow. I think it would be easier if it were part of the Options - Payment - Credit Card screen.
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