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richtheo
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:24:04 PM(UTC)
richtheo

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Having tried out a new piece of software called Whoson, i've suddenly realised that the majority of users accessing our site with Windows XP and IE6 are having problems. You can see this because they come onto the site on one of the landing pages but never fetch any files from the server other than the aspx page - no images, or javascript files or webresource.axd files. Then their session immediately (within milliseconds) redirects to the root of the site (stem only) on which i have a 301 redirect to the site home page /shop/default.aspx. And the same happens for the home page i.e. nothing other than the aspx is loaded. And that's the end - of course the user goes away or in some cases you can see them try again a bit later and fail again.

The user-agent for the failed accesses is either of the 2 below (but the site also does sometimes work with these).
Mozilla/4.0+(compatible;+MSIE+6.0;+Windows+NT+5.1;+SV1)
Mozilla/4.0+(compatible;+MSIE+6.0;+Windows+NT+5.1;1813)

The site seems to work for all non XP + IE6 user-agents and it also works for XP + IE6 user-agents where the user-agent contains any version of .NET CLR .
NB. i understand that XP SP3 installs various patches for IE6 including one that removes the long tail from the user-agent string. Is this true ? Does it retain +SV1 ?. It could be that SP3 is the route of the problem. I will be going back to examine older log files to see if the problem was occurring before the release of SP3.

I am using a modified out of the box theme and also have google analytics scripts installed which may be part of the problem but i'm reluctant to remove them because we depend on the analytics for our business analysis.
site is: http://www.beauty2u.com

I have tried several machines here with with various versions of Win XP and IE6 and they all work fine. I did observe it fail once on a copy of XP Pro (without any SPs) but unfortunately i didn't manage to packet capture when i saw it so i can't get any extra info about how far through the various file fetches the browser got or whether it was stuck in a loop. When it failed IE6 seemed to be stuck - as if the page never completely fetched. But it wasn't locked up because you could type a new URL in the address bar and it worked ok.

If you have XP + IE6 could you please try to access our site and tell me what happens. If poss, please try and packet capture the access using Microsoft Network Monitor 3.1 or something similar.
start on a typical landing page like http://www.beauty2u.com/shop/Fake-Tan-Intro.aspx

Any other ideas welcome

Thanks

Richard
MitchA
#2 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:49:54 PM(UTC)
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I run a 4 yo machine with XP Pro and IE6. You site works fine at 7:50pm EST. I started on your 'fake tan intro.aspx' page and then went to about 20 other pages and had no problems - except for the choices (below). I compared to FF and everthing looked the same otherwise.

Why are these choices images? Text is less intense.

Have you asked you host to look into this?
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Andy Miller
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:30:45 PM(UTC)
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Richard,

It looks like you are being scanned by AVG. See http://www.webmasterworld.com/search_engine_spiders/3615360.htm
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richtheo
#4 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 5:22:53 AM(UTC)
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THanks for your help guys.

Mitch - thanks for testing it. I was aware of the missing files on that product but had forgotten.
Is your 4 year old machine fully udpated ?
I can only assume from the frequency of the problem that it affects fully updated machines (the majority in the field).

AVG - I would agree with you if all of the failed access sequences had the "1813" is the user-agent string but they don't.

FYI - XP SP3 IE6 (without .NET installed) gives user-agent :
"Mozilla/4.0+(compatible;+MSIE+6.0;+Windows+NT+5.1;+SV1)"

If you install SP3 either before or after .NET 2.0 it does change to
Mozilla/4.0+(compatible;+MSIE+6.0;+Windows+NT+5.1;+SV1;+.NET+CLR+2.0.50727)

So its not SP3 causing my problems.
MitchA
#5 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 7:17:33 AM(UTC)
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Yea, I'm as up to date as anyone can be without buying a new machine and running Vista and IE7 or FF3... but don't close-out those who are a few updates behind the curve. They have credit cards too.
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Andy Miller
#6 Posted : Friday, June 27, 2008 10:31:58 AM(UTC)
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It is not just the user agent strings. The behavior you described exactly mimics what others are reporting. They are also reporting that AVG will use multiple user agent strings: the "1813" string (without a space before it) *and* hijack the IE user agent string of the computer it is running on.

I don't think the requests are coming from real people. So I don't think you are losing anybody.

P.S. When I read your description, I parsed "Then their session immediately (within milliseconds) redirects to the root of the site (stem only)" to mean that your server responded with code 200 to the first request (not 301 or 302), then the client requested the root. That is the behavior that others are attributing to AVG. It makes a request for a page, gets the content, does not request any other images, etc, then immediately requests the root.
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