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#1 Posted : Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:35:59 PM(UTC)
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I can't get the Buy One Get One to work at all in ver 5.5. It seems that the offer setup page doesn't have the "Add items to cart automatically" checkbox they way ver 5.3.2 does....am I missing something?


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#2 Posted : Thursday, June 4, 2009 10:09:11 PM(UTC)
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Derek,

The fuctionality of this feature has been changed in BV5.5. The ability to "Add items to cart automatically" has been removed. You must add both items to the cart. When the "FREE" product is added it will appear in the cart with a price of $0.00.

Feel free to contact us if you need assistance transfering the BV5.3.2 BOGO functionality into BV5.5

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dcs68
#3 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 4:09:05 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Wallace, I appreciate your response!

I am disappionted that this has changed in 5.5. It doesn't make any sense to me why the "add to cart automatically" would be removed when that is the real essense of an offer. How would the customer even know what the offer item is?

My test in ver 5.5 had "product a" getting a free "product b" but when you click to add "product a" to the cart, no "product b"....how would the customer even know that "product b" would be free if they added it. Certainly they can't just add random products in hopes that one will be free.

I must be missing something....

Thanks,
Derek



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Matt@9BallDesign
#4 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 7:31:54 AM(UTC)
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When the food store says buy 2 packages of hot dogs and get 1 package free, they don't put all three packages into your cart for you.


They're hoping you forget to grab the free one....lol...



I hear you though, but this is where you can work up some upsell in the product description's. You can add a content column to the shopping page and advertise the sale there.
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dcs68
#5 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 8:08:45 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Matt!

What I am really trying to accomplish is this....and it is slightly different than my previous example.

I only deal with digital goods....95% of which are e-tickets. When someone buys a ticket they have 30 days to download and pront their ticket. What I am trying to do (and it kind of worked in 5.3.20...see below) is to automatically add "Extended Download service" to the cart for $0.99. This give them up to 3 years to re-download if necessary.

I am trying to do what most software sales sites are doing where you have the option automatically added to the cart and the customer can remove it if they don't want it. I would prefer this method as opposed to giving the Upsell option to add it to the cart. There seems to be a greater likelyhood of them keeping it if it is already there as opposed to choosing to add it.

Thanks,
Derek

Here are my comments from another thread re: 5.3.20

-----------UPDATE----------------------

The above may not be a big issue since it is fairly unlikely that the same person would order both products with the same "buy one get one" offer.



The bigger question, and I just noticed this, is that once an item is added to the cart (and the corresponding BOGO) is added to the cart as well, you cannot delete the BOGO from the cart. This may sound strange as to why I would want this but suppose you have a BOGO offer and the free item is not something that the customer wants because it would incurr additional shipping charges...they should be able to delete that item from the cart.


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Marcus
#6 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 8:49:52 AM(UTC)
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I removed the automatically add item to cart checkbox in 5.5 for BOGO because there were some serious bugs with it under specific conditions. I wasn't able to get those bugs resolved in a way that I was confident with before 5.5 so I removed the option.

The good news is that I'm working on a more testable architecture for offers and I have some new BOGO code working that will allow me to restore the automatic add in a future service pack.

Sorry that I had to pull the checkbox for 5.5
dcs68
#7 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 8:55:06 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Marcus!

Is there presently any way to accomplish what I am trying to do via another method than BOGO without using the upsell?

excerpt from below:

I am trying to do what most software sales sites are doing where you have the option (item) automatically added to the cart and the customer can remove it if they don't want it. I would prefer this method as opposed to giving the Upsell option to add it to the cart. There seems to be a greater likelyhood of them keeping it if it is already there as opposed to choosing to add it.



Thanks,
Derek



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Matt@9BallDesign
#8 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 10:21:30 AM(UTC)
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I'm still working on the presentation of it but we're utilizing the multi-add to cart link for a line of products.

The product line requires a starter kit of sorts in that a first time user should order product A, 2 of Product B & 1 of Product C.

Because of the way the inventory system is in place, my client needs to have all three seperate line items in the order as this gives the packing manager the exact SKUs needed and the DB tech the ability to correctly sync the store with the accounting system in terms of 'deduction' of inventory.

So the "Starter Kit" category I'm developing is a big list of combinations, all with the "Add Starter Kit To Your Cart" link as this:



cart.aspx?multi=PP-ST819:1;PP-ST9911:2;PP-ST9930:1



This could probably be massaged into the kitting feature but we're at a version below the correct SP.



On each page of the Product A's. I'm adding a little section in the description describing the suggestion of a starter kit and including the links there as well.



So maybe you could consider a "Buy This Ticket with Extended Download Service" and the link is:



cart.aspx?multi=TICKETSKU:1;SERVICESKU:1


Customer can adjust quanties in the shopping cart for number of tickets. Is the service priced based on how many tickets are purchased or is it a one time charge of .99 regardless of qty of tickets purchases?
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#9 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 11:20:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: "Matt@9BallDesign" Go to Quoted Post
This could probably be massaged into the kitting feature but we're at a version below the correct SP.


That was my first thought when I read your post. I would be interested to see the actual implementation of what you're doing. Can you post a link?
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#10 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 1:04:38 PM(UTC)
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I won't want to link to it yet because it's way in development, but attached is a sample.
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#11 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 1:24:12 PM(UTC)
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Thanks, Matt. That's a very clever idea. I always forget about the "multi" add-to-cart functionality. Are you also using a discount when someone buys a kit?
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dcs68
#12 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 2:04:29 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Matt....I really appreciate your thoughts. I will give the multi add function a shot....

To answer your question, the $0.99 Extended Download Service was per item ordered.....3 tickets.....3 x $0.99

Right now the BOGO works perfectly to a point in version 5.3.20 in that if 2 of "a" are added to cart, 2 of "b" are added along with it. The only problem with ver 5.3.20 is that if the customer doesn't want the service, they can't delete it from their cart.

This is not really all that critical to my business but it is something I wanted to investigate. I will test you suggestion : )

One more question - at what point (what SP) did the multi add to cart become available?


Thanks again

d.



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#13 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 3:47:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: "Aaron" Go to Quoted Post

(Are you also using a discount when someone buys a kit?)
No discount. That's why this fits the need. If the MFG had it priced as such, we would upgrade to the kitting.


There is a line that we also wanted to do this for but since we can't discount via the multi-add, it won't help and this is where kitting would fit the need.



Really though, the primary reason why this works for my client is the nature of the accounting/inventory system. Having the SKUs as individual line items within the order keeps everything running smooth (a.k.a. Hands Free) from website to warehouse. Proper inventory reduction = proper books, proper pick-pack & proper inventory management in the warehouse.



The Multi-Add feature is a 5.4 introduction: http://forums.bvcommerce.com/default.aspx?f=27&m=59535



Site is running on 3.2 and it took reverse engineering of the (5.4) cart.aspx.vb page to migrate it to (3.2) cart.aspx.vb page.
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#14 Posted : Friday, June 5, 2009 4:03:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: "Matt@9BallDesign" Go to Quoted Post
Really though, the primary reason why this works for my client is the nature of the accounting/inventory system.


Sounds like you should look into actually integrating order processing and inventory levels. Then you can use the BV features as intended AND reduce the amount of work on your client's end.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, June 6, 2009 11:11:10 AM(UTC)
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Aaron, I'm curious as to what you mean or what could be in place?


This is a 100% custom accounting system (i.e. not QB or anything of the like) with scripts that pull the orders out of BV, imports into their fulfillment system which then distributes the order to their warehouse which will coordinate with 34 other warehouses if the item isn't in stock at their facility.



We (client and I) are all ears if you think there's room for improvement!
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#16 Posted : Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:33:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: "Matt@9BallDesign" Go to Quoted Post
scripts that pull the orders out of BV, imports into their fulfillment system which then distributes the order to their warehouse


Great, so you already have orders being exported from BV to your client's system. If you want to use kitting, you will need to "translate" or "convert" a kit into a format that your client's system understands. In this case, you would convert the kit into separate line items when it is exported.

You can always build a more sophisticated integration where the data flows both directions. For example, you could pull inventory levels from client's system into BV. That may not be worth it in this case, since your client has backup/drop-ship warehouses that are used when the client's inventory is depleted.
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