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MitchA
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:55:23 PM(UTC)
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"""Technically, what I think you and mitch are looking for is a bit different. To use the real world analogy again, you are looking to give a supplier a key your store to allow them to stock your shelves with their products. However, you don't want them to reorganize/rearrange/reprice the products that were placed on your shelves by a different supplier."""

Yes, Exactly. Separate categories, separate permissions. I moved from SF6 to BV5 so I could eventually do just that. I now have the beginings of this with my own products on my own website. I'll eventually open up the ability to have other similar small shops show/sell their goods on my site. At the same time (like now), I have my goods on several other sites. They get a 30% discount, I drop ship for them. I'd get a 30% discount when I sell for others who will drop ship for me. Having a few of these stores all using the same platform (BV5) would be ideal... same data, low learning curve... The real advantage for the 'mall' model is that I don't need to learn someone else's product line, and visa/versa. (You think anyone at Amazon knows how a 5 H.P. cyclonic dust collector works?? No, they just let the manufacturer list it, and then sell it.) There's room for nitch-market Amazons.

My #1 wholesale customer made over $19,000.00 on my products alone last year and didn't ship anything. He just lists and forwards orders, we all (100+ suppliers) drop-ship for him.

Yes, this deserves it's own thread and more discussion, a little more support. When BV5 is a bit more stable too. It's still a developer's world in here. I know 4 customers waiting for the dust to settle and the hotfixes to stop.
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bvuser
#22 Posted : Friday, June 1, 2007 9:01:47 AM(UTC)
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Hi Mitch,

I think you will see serious a major slowdown in the release of hotfixes at this point. I think the biggest cause of such a flood of hotfixes was that there were some fairly substantial changes made to the core from SP1 to SP2 and several things slipped through the cracks. It also didn't help BV that everyone always seems to have an interest in Beta testing and everyone signs up, but then no one manages to find any bugs until after the official software is released. I know I am guilty of this as well.

As for your solution of restricting catalog permissions to select categories, as stated earlier that is a much, much smaller project that I'd could consider undertaking if you are interested and it is the same thing that ACL is interested in.
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MitchA
#23 Posted : Friday, June 1, 2007 11:19:39 AM(UTC)
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""As for your solution of restricting catalog permissions to select categories..."""

This is on my very short-range radar... You should consider this a well worthwhile project. As the internet and mass-marketing matures, more and more smaller companies will be left behind but for the ability to add their products to other's web-stores. We all know that most kitchen-table would like to take advantage of a better presence, ut can't deal with a BV5-intensity set-up and launch.

A large BV5 store owner with this capability will be two steps ahead of his competition.

(I'm looking down the road a bit...)
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#24 Posted : Saturday, June 2, 2007 3:51:05 PM(UTC)
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I wonder if there is any kind of reward for starting the longest forum thread?

If I understand it right, when your talking about restricting access to a Category, your not talking about customer access to that category, but instead Vendor access to the admin section. Well maybe not vendor but a small business selling stuff on consignment on someone else's site which may have a better name and reputation? Like Ebay, Auto Trader, Amazon.com or such?

If this is what you are talking about, people that can't afford their own web site, I sure wouldn't want these people poking around through my site changing prices and quantities in the admin area even if it is their own stuff they are changing. If you don't have a reputable site to start with they would be better off on Ebay. If you do have a reputable site it won't be that way long unless you put in a whole bunch of safe guards.

If you want to do a smaller version of the big players like I mentioned above, wouldn't it be easier to advertise the items on your site with a 30% mark up and then just have the vendor drop ship them to the customer? Or if the vendor already has a web site, have them set you up as an affiliate and charge them 15% on sales?

What I think your talking about is having 5, 10, 20 or 100 small but very reputable stores selling anywhere form 5 to 1,000 items each in a narrow (maybe specialty) market segment. Can't you just have them email you an upload file in the migration tool format http://forums.bvcommerce.com/default.aspx?f=84 or maybe the Quick Books Connection format http://forums.bvcommerce.com/default.aspx?f=44 if you can get it to work on just part of the site with out messing everything else up. Then put it on a Customer Restricted Category Page http://forums.bvcommerce.com/de...lt.aspx?f=54&m=47691 until the supplier signs off on it, then put it out to the general public? Yeh! You have to do some of the work but your going to spend more than that amount of time on the phone telling them how not to mess up your site while they are trying to do it themselves.

Just a thought.

Bob Noble
MitchA
#25 Posted : Saturday, June 2, 2007 5:23:41 PM(UTC)
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The reward is a spool of thread.

I had a show and tell site for 9 years until I made the SF6 site about 18 months ago. See something and call on the phone to order. While I had my site running, www.crafthome.com (another show and tell site) sold my stuff too. He outsold me by 2 to 1 in spite of my best efforts. Now that I've got a cart site, My retail sales have more than doubled. His have stayed the same.

Mom and Pops (like me) have a tough time gathering an audience. A 1/4 page color ad in Old House Interiors magazine ALONE cost $1,000.00 per issue. To advertize my goods (my web-site) I spend $12,000.00/year in print (three mags) - about $37.00 per item retailed. (wholesale sales carry a different to-market cost basis) Some craftsfirms make and sell goods in the $125.00 range, some much cheaper. They make a great product, but can't get it out the door, and lack the ability/volume to set up a site of their own nor afford to advertize. A sales discount to a wholesaler is by far thier only way to market.

I can advertize my site, sell my goods and sell other's goods too. The cost per item drops with increased sales volume. It really dosn't cost a nickel extra to sell an additional item to a shopper already at your site, 'cept processing costs. Sharing the burden via volume can drop my sales load to 1/4 - 1/2 of today's costs. If I can cut my per-item burden by half, I make $6,000.00. A 25 - 30% discount on the goods that pass through the store could be worth enough to put up with the extra work.

Do a search for "Mission style Wall Mirror" or "Custom Medicine Cabinet" on Amazon or ebay and you'll see why my customers pay me so much. There's a lot of CRAP out there, and Amazon will carry ANYTHING. Serious shoppers don't go there, they hunt for me. My medicine cabinets cost $500.00+. I make five to eight cabinets a month. I took and order the other day for two, $650.00 cabinets, on line, no phone call. Sweet!!! Those clients are out there!

Look at one of my cabinet at crafthome: http://www.crafthome.com.../medcabMainFramePage.htm
Now at my SF6 site: http://missionfurnishings.com/detail.aspx?ID=39

BV5 display will be even better. Don't you think Crafthome would sell more if he'd let ME design a better listing of my products on his site? Even without cart capabilities, I know I can boost his sales overnight. Even so, he sold TWO cabinets in May. Should have been four or five.

I've told him to set up a cart site with BVC, and have his suppliers (who can) set up their own goods. This will relieve him of 30 - 50% of the work.

The Grand-admin would have to have approval over content prior to having the newly listed goods go live - a holding area would need to be set up. I've tried to put my stuff into an uploadable format. NUTS! I need to see it as I build. I think most people do. Remember, thier products are thier babies.

I have no doubt the model works... Niche stores do make money. The guy that runs crafthome.com has been making $100K+ for years - 100% drop-ship. I can do better with the right tool.
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CorneliuTusnea
#26 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2007 12:57:09 AM(UTC)
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Back for a minute. We've been quite busy with bunch of work both online and offline as we expand quickly.
Just to make it clear about the bits I'm developing:
- It will NOT be a "mall like" system where multiple vendors will be able to login and manage different parts of the site.
- It will allow you to setup multiple sites running from the same catalog.
-- Can have different products/categories visible in each site
-- Can have different homepage for each site
-- Will have different columns in each site
-- Will have ONE order management/people system
-- Can all run using one single SSL certificate as long as that is part of a different domain (eg: www.bg.com.au and www.bc.com.au can both run the secure pages out of secure.bg.com.au)
-- Configuration wise all you need to do is point all DNS's to the same IIS and have them run.

Outstanding Issues:
- When you run multiple sites, logging in on one of them does not log you in the others (from a server you can't detect that two unique sessions are actually the same ones).
- Email/Print tags [[Site.xxxx]] will all point to the main site (changes to the core are required to allow these tags to be site independent.
- Search will return products from all sites (I'm working on it.).

Regards.
Corneliu.

PS>> Talking about the "mall" functionality where multiple vendors can login and configure their categories/products, I know someone who custom developed this for his customer. Contact me at corneliu @ the url below and I'll try to get you in touch with the guys.
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MitchA
#27 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:02:56 AM(UTC)
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I've also (like Bob) got about 10 URL's stashed away for future expansion / marketing. Your plans sound perfect.

I'll email regarding the mall...
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Foxsport
#28 Posted : Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:56:01 PM(UTC)
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Has anyone actually completed a plug-in to operate multiple stores. We too want to run niche sites all tied to one back end cart and database. One larged database and we split the data among sites and one site that has all the data. We basically split each department of our store into its own site as it sells better that way. The Allied Trade Group example does so using another ecommerce product 6. You are able to carry you cart on their sites from one store to another. That would be a nice feature but what we want first is to have multiple sites with one back end. That way a customer only needs one account. What we want to do is run one mother store and then niche stores with each department. That way the domain names for each department get top billing when customers are searching the web.
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